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reading citizens and welcome to unknown

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I'm Jason McClellan I'm here with

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Maureen Elsberry Shane herd and Ryan

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Sprague and we're happy you're hanging

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out with us today

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another week has passed and that means

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we have another episode of Project Blue

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Book to talk about today if you're not

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aware there's a new dramatic series on

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history titled Project Blue Book named

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of course after the US Air Force's

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official UFO study that ran from 1952

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through 1969 Project Blue Book the show

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is a fictional show based on this real

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study and focuses largely on dr. J Allen

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Hynek who served as a scientific advisor

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to the government project Project Blue

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Book and its predecessors also a project

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sign and project grudge two episodes of

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Project Blue Book have aired as of the

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date we're recording this episode of

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unknown and the real cases this show has

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explored so far are the gorman UFO

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dogfight of 1948 and the flatwoods

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monster of 1952 we talked about the

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Gorman case on the previous episode and

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today we're going to discuss the

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flatwoods monster case so guys before we

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share our personal thoughts of Project

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Blue Book's take on the flatwood monster

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Maureen's go ahead and give us a brief

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overview of the real case of the

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flatwoods monster sure so this kind of

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happened

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during the height of sort of a UFO scare

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going on and obviously we had these

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cases that we discussed last week in the

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40s and now we're into the 50s I mean

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this is also the time where you know

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there's atomic bomb testing and scares

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and people are on high alert so to speak

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so this happened in September 12 1952 in

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flatwoods West Virginia and Braxton

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County it was about a quarter past 7:00

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in the evening and there were a bunch of

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boys playing at the park they alleged

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that they saw basically a silver dollar

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they kind of said flying saucer fly

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across the sky that was emitting like

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bursts of red balls of fire basically

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some people just described it as a red

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ball of fire there's varying reports

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throughout this whole case so the two

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brothers they were I'm gonna guess that

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they were about I think they were about

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somewhere on that age and their friend

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Tommy ran to them their mother's house

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they got this woman Kathleen Mae and

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then three additional boys and a dog

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they went to go investigate what they

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saw fly over this hill and disappear

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which they assumed this object had

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crashed so the story goes that the boys

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and and the mother ran up over this hill

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they there was a fog or some kind of

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miss that smelled really pungent like

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nasty really irritant and then kind of

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like Ryan apartment right exactly

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so again this is a spot where there are

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some varying reports some of the

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witnesses saw this some did not the

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alleged that they saw a big globular

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sphere like object and it was pulsing

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shades of red and orange intermittently

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and they were paying attention to that

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and that's at the moment that the the

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oldest boy 17-year old gene lemon shined

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a flashlight and much to their horror

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they spotted these glowing eyes and this

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ten-foot monster staring back at them

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again the witnesses have varying reports

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of what the creature looked like but the

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most general one was that it was these

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glowing green yellow eyes a red like

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blood red face and it had some sort of

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like it's often described as the shape

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of an ace like hood like hands well

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again that's only with some okay

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Kathleen may suggested for sure that it

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had claw-like and some of the boys said

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there were no hands some said that it

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was wearing a green outfit some said

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they couldn't see any color from the

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neck down however so you know this there

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they run down the hill in terror and

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they're absolutely terrified and they

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try to report this but the the sheriff

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was away investigating a known another

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alleged plane crash closeby weirdly

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enough so you know they had some

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paramedics on the scene treating them

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for bruises and scratches and this guy

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from the Braxton Democrats comes out and

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he goes to investigate and sees nothing

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but he says that he got his face really

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close to the ground and could smell an

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order odor so um anyways when the

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sheriff gets there there's nothing

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some people go back the next day they

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see what they say our skid marks on the

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ground and some reports of some sort of

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weird oily gummy substance on the ground

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bla bla bla

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some people think so it was just tire

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tracks we'll see anyways so one of the

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most famous UFO authors in this time or

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actually this is kind of what got him

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started gray Barker you all know he went

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out and interviewed the witnesses and

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and you know found out that there had

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been strange lights spotted in the sky

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over half the country you know Ohio and

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Washington DC and all these other places

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you know so here we have this now town

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hysteria of the small town where there's

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a 10-foot monster is it there there are

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some reports that some people saw an

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object taking off afterwards there's

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lots of like a lot of varying tidbits

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but anyway so this ended up becoming a

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case investigated by Project Blue Book

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at the very end of everything basically

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much like in the episode of Project Blue

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Book it was the the final depth ik

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opinion of it was it was an owl in a

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tree and that when the owl or the object

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hissed and started guiding towards them

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that again it was like a I think it was

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a barn owl or something that it was just

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flying off the tree towards them so this

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is a very controversial case but it's

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brought a lot of money to the town of

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flatwoods so I don't know what your

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guys's opinion on the case is it's very

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easy to say hey yeah maybe this could be

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a meteor shower that was happening and

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that's what they spotted or the red

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pulsing object they saw was some sort of

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navigation device from a plane or

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and and we have an owl in the woods but

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you know these people are now and

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they're the surviving members are in

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their 70s or so now and there's to

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confirm that what they saw was not an

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element Rees yeah so what's your take on

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the flatwoods monster case Shane as just

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just historically at the flatwoods

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monster case not the how I was portrayed

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in Project Blue Book but the actual case

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have you given that case much thought

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yeah I actually wasn't completely

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familiar with it I just heard about it

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until the Bluebook show and then of

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course I kind of jumped in and and read

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about it and it is kind of interesting

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how you know I I I don't know how strong

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a case it is you know evidentiary or

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anything but it just I'm kind of

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impressed with how much attention it got

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at the time I mean you know pretty much

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in the nationwide coverage and it was it

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was just really the the testimony of

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these these people involved and really

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nothing from a physical evidence

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standpoint but it really got a lot of

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attention so I don't know if that was

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due to just the heightened attention on

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UFOs in general particularly in 1952

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like marine was mentioning it was you

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know Cold War and of course there was

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the UFO flap over the Capitol and just a

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lot of stuff going on then so imagine

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everything got some attention but yeah I

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was surprised how much this one got but

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a lot of people say this like a classic

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case and and of course great barker

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getting his start there so I mean

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historically is pretty interesting

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actually what do you think of flatwoods

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monster Ryan I think it's terrifying if

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any video it is true yeah like that just

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the way it's described that's another

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thing but there's a lot of varying

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descriptions of the monster itself but

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also of like what actually crashed or

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was seen over the town that part always

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stuck out to me most was this this idea

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of the crash and you know people behind

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being on high alert and being terrified

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of anything in the skies at this point

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yeah it's definitely a case

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that will forever be I feel like it's in

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that folklore sort of sort of area of

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this entire UFO history um I don't know

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what I personally make of it but these

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people were definitely terrified I mean

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witnesses said that like one of the way

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this is peed their pants at the time yes

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pretty funny I came here yeah

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yeah the way it was portrayed in the

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show was completely different and I'm

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sure we'll get to that but um it is

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definitely a case that I always look at

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and have a smirk on my face yeah it's a

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fun one oh yeah absolutely it is and you

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know I think by and large it can still

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be in that sort of like question mark

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category to something this case always

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does for me it highlights witness

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testimony you know and how the the many

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levels on which witness testimony is is

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interesting because here we we see

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demonstrated to us how widely witness

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testimony can vary you know these people

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were there they saw the same thing but

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they described it in different ways and

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that is very normal with witness

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testimony that's what's going to happen

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I mean the four of us right now we were

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all in the same room and we saw

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something outside and we ran outside and

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looked 30 minutes later retelling the

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story we'd all have a slightly varied

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take on the same thing so that's that's

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human nature that's cool to see that

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displayed here in this case the other

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thing is just the adamant nature of

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people standing by their interpretation

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of what they saw right and that's always

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fantastic in cases like this when you're

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dealing with strange topics UFOs

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monsters things like that when you have

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witnesses who describe what they saw but

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years later they stand by that story you

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know that tells you a lot too in the

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sense that even facing ridicule in this

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case and in you know being labeled a nut

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for sure I mean you certainly sound like

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one and even if you know after the

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government coming up with an explanation

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if something as silly as an owl still

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standing by the story

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that says a lot about how firm these

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people are and confident they are in

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what they saw so I love seeing that and

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hearing that with witness testimony

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because on one hand you have to

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understand what witness testimony is and

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how valuable it is or isn't in a case I

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was going to say that's something really

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you know pertinent that we see gray

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Barker doing in his investigations you

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know obviously he's a controversial

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figure who later you know was like

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people were saying you know he was

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actually claimed he was kind of hoaxing

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stuff or it not hoaxing but making stuff

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up or he's just in it for the money or

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whatever extreme skeptic but one thing

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he did write is he interviewed each of

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the witnesses separately and really like

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worked on trying to triangulate

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similarities and differences in all of

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their testimony to see you know do we

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have some some faulty things going on or

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is there some truth behind this of

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course like you said we're all gonna

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have varying testimony but it's those

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those points that have to line up close

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enough to make something like okay well

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they probably were there together that

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they saw something but yeah and that's

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pretty much like the conclusion is these

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people were genuinely terrified they

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genuinely saw something but what it was

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there's anything we've learned it's

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don't get a dog to go stir a UFO that's

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right I mean a monster or an owl

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owls eat dogs that's right that's right

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thank you yes they do know

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owls are cute and and wonderful and I

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would like to cuddle an owl but yeah

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they're they're enemies of dogs and cats

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for sure

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all right let's stop being sad here and

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shift back to a history show Project

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Blue Book so what did you think of the

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show's version of the flatwoods monster

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case Ryan so I found it really

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compelling because I mean I'd written a

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little bit in research flatwoods and I

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again I always

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thought it laid in that kind of

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folkloric camp but when I saw that blue

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book was covering it I actually had to

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go back to be like wait did they

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actually investigate the flatwoods

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monster like I had no idea so when this

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episode came about is like I really want

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to see how they tackle such a like

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sensational case for the second episode

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you know with the first episode of the

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fuller dog fight I'm like yeah that

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makes perfect sense it's you know it's

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legit it it could very well have

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happened but then this one I was like

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did they jump the gun a little bit but

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the way they handled it and then when

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Hynek comes up with the owl conclusion

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in the show's narrative I totally I I

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could see it but again the things that

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these people described it seems way too

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big to have been an owl or I don't know

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but um yeah yeah I thought it was it was

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good I loved the episode I I felt bad

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that the dog had to die in the episode

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to you but um I didn't know if you guys

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knew anything was there actually like

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radiation sickness with any of the

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witnesses like the show portrayed no I

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don't believe so I thought that like the

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only paramedic stuff that was reported

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was cuts and scrapes from like running

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down the hill gosh okay yeah that was

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definitely added for the show which I

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understand but um yeah I found that

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compelling as well that's creative

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license and I don't have a problem with

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them throwing that in there because

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again the the writers of this show and

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the creators are very well versed on you

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know UFO cases and and UFO lore and and

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other things so they only have a certain

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number of shows they're working with and

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I think they're trying to incorporate a

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lot of UFO stuff into their shows and so

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taking elements from other cases and

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incorporating them into you know a

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different case I think is probably

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what's happening with a lot of what

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we're seeing portrayed in these shows so

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you know certainly there are other

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fantastic cases where we do have

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exposure to radiation and physical

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effects on people so right I kind of get

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them throwing that in there because it

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does make for great TV

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but I and you know I actually was a

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little bit disappointed with their their

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creature I thought it's really me and

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you know obviously they had the whole

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forest burning down and it was it kind

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of looked like a little bit more like a

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fairy tale joke I mean don't get me

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wrong the actual original drawing of

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what they saw influence looks like a

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joke but it's like Alice in Wonderland

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so yeah yeah yeah yeah an interesting

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thing though is after the episode aired

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you know I went back and was like you

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know what I kind of want to catch up on

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this case again to see where the

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differences were because it's been a

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long time since I've you know I'm

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familiar with the case but it had been a

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while so for all of us I reread the

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original fate article that grey Barker

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wrote yeah and if you open it up the

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artwork on that article of the monster

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at the top like not the actual drawings

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but just the magazines like fun little

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monster climb thing at the top looks

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relatively similar to the way they

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depicted it I'm gonna I'll personally

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send you guys a clip of this are also

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send you the article but yeah it is kind

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of interesting I'll take a screenshot

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and sure it it is used to and I want to

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yeah point out that the creators of the

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show have addressed this sort of issue

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with the show in that they obviously

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didn't obtain the rights for absolutely

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everything that they're covering all of

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the people all the characters that's why

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you know they have they're working with

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J Allen Hynek as an actual character but

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the other characters are loosely based

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on real people and we can figure out who

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they are but they didn't obtain the

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rights to you know have these named

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characters and that's certainly the case

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with some of the other stuff - I'm

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suspecting that's the case with the the

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artwork you know the the likeness of the

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flatwoods monster that was depicted so

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they had to come up with their their own

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thing

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so do be aware of that in the show that

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you know it comes down to a rights issue

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and they're having to be a little

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creative with some of the things that

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they're portraying in this show to avoid

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the same with yeah in the same with the

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time period to Jason I mean we have a

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linear TV show that we're doing like

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week to week case to case and we're

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following like a story arc so everything

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has to be sort of sequential and you

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know we know like fall our case happened

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48 this happened 52 like the show itself

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doesn't jump all the way to 52 to buy

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you this case so yeah I think a lot of

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people have to look at that too so yeah

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I'm doing with giving us the actual case

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after with like Dolan and valet and all

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that - sorry Shane go ahead no that's

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okay that's cool I I also was kind of

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wondering you know how x-files not I

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don't want to keep making that

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comparison but x-files they used to have

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like a monster of the week kind of

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episode and then they carried the

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overall theme and Ark throughout that

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thing and I'm not sure if that's what

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they're going to do or not I've only

439
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seen these two episodes and like you say

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the first one was you know straight up

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you know nuts-and-bolts UFO kind of

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thing where this one seemed to be more

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kind of like on the you know monster

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side or you know a little more fantastic

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and I don't know if they're gonna play

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with that go back and forth if they pick

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their cases out where or not but that's

448
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kind of what I'm looking for is I see

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this thing unfold this is kind of making

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those comparisons because it's it's

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really fun I mean they're the characters

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are developing well and you know some of

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these ancillary storylines going on

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around it just be interesting to see how

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this thing ties together and how they

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thread that through throughout the

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entire season I know in that makes me a

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little disappointed because I kind of

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have a pretty good feeling that they're

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gonna skip over the not do that Kelly

461
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Hopkinsville case now because everything

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this one and that one happened in 55

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right afterwards we'll get more into

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that case later I know but but yeah

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that's a little bit of a disappointment

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cuz I always loved reenactments of that

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case yeah did you the best

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most hilarious no offense to the people

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that that went through it I know that

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was hilarious for them I don't mean it

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like that but the reenactments yeah that

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have so far been portrayed on TV and

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documentaries are pure gold I sent you

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guys that picture you look at it in

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there and tell me if that's not closer

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to the project Bluebook depiction sorry

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audience I know you can't see this yeah

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yeah yeah totally

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yeah monster dia saucer Wow yeah that's

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interesting yeah very good so I wonder

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if they they kind of like looked at that

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I'm sure they're in their research at us

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oh yeah that's one thing like no matter

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if things aren't accurate they are

485
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definitely doing their research on all

486
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this there's that new sci-fi wire

487
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podcast that follows each episode of the

488
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creators and you can just tell you can

489
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hear the passion and the hunger in what

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they're talking about and they bring up

491
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like so much of what we talk about as

492
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well it's not just entertainment they're

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you know they're trying to get these

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cases out so that you can go look at it

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like we are after every episode and see

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what actually yeah I'm glad you brought

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up that show Ryan it's a really good

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podcast and it really does a fantastic

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job of giving you that insight into the

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decisions they're making and you know

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their thought processes and and you know

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where they are and they're their journey

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of exploration dealing with all this and

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hearing the the actors you know and how

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their viewpoints have changed being

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involved in this and how deep they've

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gone down the rabbit hole themselves I

508
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mean it's a really cool insider's look

509
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so I think that podcast is so much fun

510
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if you're interested in this show to get

511
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a little more in-depth knowledge behind

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the show and thanks for bringing up Ryan

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the thing about what history is doing

514
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with this show I mean we've talked about

515
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it but yeah as they did with the

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premiere episode of Project Blue Book

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history provides information about the

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real cases they use for inspiration

519
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right on the network's website and

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additionally they're showing the info

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immediately following the episodes when

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they air on television that's really

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cool and I think a lot of people who

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have been skeptical of this show because

525
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it's not a documentary a true delight

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retelling a project Bluebook haven't

527
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given the show a fair shake I don't

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think and I think they're expecting it

529
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to be something it's not but I think

530
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again history is doing a really good job

531
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of you know having their fun with it

532
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making this entertaining having their

533
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fictional show based on reality but then

534
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right after telling you the real case

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that inspired it that's so responsible

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and just awesome of them to do so and a

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lot of detractors are saying like oh

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they're you know they're they're

539
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stepping back and they're doing this now

540
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because everyone's complaining about

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inaccurate it is well I mean I I know

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for a fact that they planned on doing

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that long before production evens right

544
00:23:14,270 --> 00:23:11,550
so you know this was all planned that it

545
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:14,280
was strategic and they do want to take

546
00:23:18,650 --> 00:23:16,290
the real stories out there so I'm gonna

547
00:23:20,660 --> 00:23:18,660
keep watching and and then going back

548
00:23:22,790 --> 00:23:20,670
like we did today and look at the actual

549
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:22,800
case and see how it compares it's fun

550
00:23:26,930 --> 00:23:25,170
it's not I mean hey if it's good enough

551
00:23:32,030 --> 00:23:26,940
for Jacques Ballet I mean people need to

552
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:32,040
chill out right it's a final word well

553
00:23:36,890 --> 00:23:34,170
the third episode of Project Blue Book

554
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:36,900
airs on January 22nd and that episode

555
00:23:40,940 --> 00:23:39,210
episode will tackle a fascinating and

556
00:23:42,500 --> 00:23:40,950
well known UFO case known as the Lubbock

557
00:23:46,250 --> 00:23:42,510
lights I'm looking forward to that one

558
00:23:48,410 --> 00:23:46,260
yeah I have no idea what the episodes

559
00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:48,420
are so this is like a little surprise

560
00:23:52,580 --> 00:23:51,240
each time yeah now keep it fun and

561
00:23:54,110 --> 00:23:52,590
they've been really excited about

562
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:54,120
Lubbock lights too I mean they've used

563
00:23:58,250 --> 00:23:56,090
it heavily and they're they're promotion

564
00:24:00,020 --> 00:23:58,260
materials for this show including the

565
00:24:02,300 --> 00:24:00,030
little inserts they've been including in

566
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:02,310
the New York Times print editions like

567
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:04,890
and in the press kits and they've really

568
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:06,000
been pushing the Lubbock lights so I

569
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:07,200
can't wait to see what they do with that

570
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:09,690
well another series that we want to

571
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:13,290
briefly mention is Helier so on Friday

572
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:15,840
January 18th paranormal media company

573
00:24:20,300 --> 00:24:17,850
Planet weird released this new series

574
00:24:22,220 --> 00:24:20,310
titled Helier the series follows the

575
00:24:24,590 --> 00:24:22,230
veteran paranormal husband-and-wife team

576
00:24:26,510 --> 00:24:24,600
of Dana and Greg Newkirk as they and

577
00:24:28,370 --> 00:24:26,520
fellow investigators travel into the

578
00:24:30,410 --> 00:24:28,380
shadows of the Appalachian Mountains on

579
00:24:32,620 --> 00:24:30,420
a fascinating and thrilling journey

580
00:24:35,660 --> 00:24:32,630
fueled by curious synchronicities

581
00:24:38,420 --> 00:24:35,670
mysterious figures and frightened locals

582
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:38,430
with tales of goblin-like creatures are

583
00:24:42,030 --> 00:24:39,930
emerging from mine shafts and the vast

584
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:42,040
cave systems in the region

585
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:43,930
and Ryan you recently interviewed the

586
00:24:47,250 --> 00:24:45,520
director of this series on your show

587
00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:47,260
somewhere on the skies right yes I did

588
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:51,310
yeah Carl Pfeiffer yeah so former Ghost

589
00:24:55,710 --> 00:24:53,050
Hunters International and co-signers

590
00:24:58,440 --> 00:24:55,720
Academy I believe that yeah I think so

591
00:25:01,200 --> 00:24:58,450
so there is just like a paranormal

592
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:01,210
investigation powerhouse behind this

593
00:25:05,940 --> 00:25:03,010
show and people who are very familiar

594
00:25:08,490 --> 00:25:05,950
with all sorts of strange things

595
00:25:10,740 --> 00:25:08,500
so Maury and I'm curious to hear what

596
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:10,750
you thought of Hellyer so I thought I

597
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:12,640
thought it was really fun you know like

598
00:25:18,930 --> 00:25:16,090
um we I've been waiting for something on

599
00:25:22,610 --> 00:25:18,940
this investigation since back in I don't

600
00:25:24,930 --> 00:25:22,620
know we talked to Greg and Dana back in

601
00:25:26,570 --> 00:25:24,940
2015 or something about this case and

602
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:26,580
that was when they were filming a

603
00:25:32,190 --> 00:25:29,410
television show had contacted them to

604
00:25:33,450 --> 00:25:32,200
film a pilot so that was at that stage

605
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:33,460
but then they took it upon themselves

606
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:37,570
when that ended up not becoming you know

607
00:25:44,490 --> 00:25:40,090
a show or a thing to in which they are

608
00:25:47,070 --> 00:25:44,500
better off for doing as well I think to

609
00:25:50,580 --> 00:25:47,080
get this group together and go out and

610
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:50,590
and there are so many little weird this

611
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:52,960
is the number one word you're gonna hear

612
00:25:57,540 --> 00:25:54,450
throughout the whole series

613
00:25:59,160 --> 00:25:57,550
synchronicities there's so many weird

614
00:26:01,560 --> 00:25:59,170
things that happen to them that kind of

615
00:26:04,890 --> 00:26:01,570
like tie things in and oddly enough I

616
00:26:10,050 --> 00:26:04,900
don't know if they plan this but there

617
00:26:14,220 --> 00:26:10,060
are a ton of links to you know John keel

618
00:26:16,620 --> 00:26:14,230
and the the Mothman prophecy Mount

619
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:16,630
Pleasant and you know which is also West

620
00:26:22,620 --> 00:26:19,090
Virginia and Kentucky

621
00:26:26,420 --> 00:26:22,630
Hopkinsville Kelly Hopkinsville the man

622
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:26,430
I can't talk today obviously a case and

623
00:26:31,620 --> 00:26:29,050
so many weird things so it was kind of

624
00:26:33,390 --> 00:26:31,630
funny that the the episode on the

625
00:26:35,220 --> 00:26:33,400
flatwoods monster aired this week and

626
00:26:39,270 --> 00:26:35,230
when this came out right afterwards is

627
00:26:42,540 --> 00:26:39,280
just like ton of tie-ins so I thought it

628
00:26:44,220 --> 00:26:42,550
was really fun I do have some like some

629
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:44,230
curious questions and it was kind of

630
00:26:48,450 --> 00:26:46,240
funny because I was looking at the

631
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:48,460
comments and YouTube's on some of first

632
00:26:54,270 --> 00:26:51,490
off it's awesome that they are providing

633
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:54,280
this devarone for free to watch so you

634
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:55,970
know these are for people that are

635
00:26:59,380 --> 00:26:57,530
going out and doing this they don't have

636
00:27:01,180 --> 00:26:59,390
a production company behind them I mean

637
00:27:03,940 --> 00:27:01,190
you know they were they were doing this

638
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,950
on they're putting the same thing with

639
00:27:08,110 --> 00:27:06,080
Jeremy Korbel you know putting their own

640
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:08,120
dimes behind this and going out to

641
00:27:13,930 --> 00:27:12,050
research this stuff I I'm wondering the

642
00:27:18,700 --> 00:27:13,940
big I don't I don't want to do a lot of

643
00:27:24,390 --> 00:27:18,710
spoilers hmm but they they do show a

644
00:27:29,620 --> 00:27:24,400
couple times doing the estus method

645
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:29,630
which essentially is going through all

646
00:27:38,290 --> 00:27:32,570
these radio frequencies with a blindfold

647
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,300
on and listening and just saying the

648
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:40,880
words that are coming through that don't

649
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:44,090
seem to be you know DJ's or music or

650
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:47,120
what-have-you and asking questions I

651
00:27:50,260 --> 00:27:48,170
don't know it's it's kind of hard to

652
00:27:51,700 --> 00:27:50,270
explain without seeing it once you see

653
00:27:53,050 --> 00:27:51,710
it you'll be like I got it it's like

654
00:27:59,620 --> 00:27:53,060
doing the third box challenge with the

655
00:28:03,490 --> 00:27:59,630
radio possibly yes okay but but I'm

656
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:03,500
wondering like did they also record what

657
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:06,650
Connor was listening to so they could

658
00:28:12,790 --> 00:28:09,610
play back and listen and see you know

659
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:12,800
like oh let's let's listen to what he

660
00:28:17,380 --> 00:28:14,450
was hearing do we hear the same things

661
00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:17,390
is there do we hear different things or

662
00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:20,750
is that something that's just can't be

663
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:24,380
recorded you know I think that's just

664
00:28:27,730 --> 00:28:26,210
kind of one of the main questions I had

665
00:28:30,460 --> 00:28:27,740
while watching just because I was super

666
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:30,470
curious Shane as an investigator I'd

667
00:28:36,790 --> 00:28:32,170
love to hear what you thought of Hellyer

668
00:28:39,070 --> 00:28:36,800
yeah so paranormal is not my thing and

669
00:28:42,670 --> 00:28:39,080
so I'm unfamiliar with a lot of it but I

670
00:28:45,070 --> 00:28:42,680
thought you know first of all they were

671
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:45,080
very likeable it was clear they're very

672
00:28:50,830 --> 00:28:48,650
intelligent and experienced and what I

673
00:28:53,710 --> 00:28:50,840
appreciated about it was it really kind

674
00:28:56,110 --> 00:28:53,720
of gave me insight into what it's like

675
00:28:58,750 --> 00:28:56,120
to conduct a paranormal investigation

676
00:29:02,070 --> 00:28:58,760
and so not just the techniques like

677
00:29:04,780 --> 00:29:02,080
marine had mentioned there but just the

678
00:29:06,670 --> 00:29:04,790
the research that they have to do sort

679
00:29:08,050 --> 00:29:06,680
of the back end of it and

680
00:29:10,270 --> 00:29:08,060
and you know when they find kind of

681
00:29:13,180 --> 00:29:10,280
launched into it and physically went

682
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:13,190
there and then how kind of hard it was

683
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:16,310
to get people to talk and connect some

684
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:18,050
dots but then all these weird things

685
00:29:22,780 --> 00:29:19,520
that happen along the way the

686
00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:22,790
synchronicity was pretty fascinating and

687
00:29:29,770 --> 00:29:26,510
I know it's kind of overused but you

688
00:29:32,110 --> 00:29:29,780
know I think they they did a good job of

689
00:29:35,410 --> 00:29:32,120
showing how you know the process can be

690
00:29:40,390 --> 00:29:35,420
very intriguing and satisfying in itself

691
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:40,400
and frustrating at the same time what do

692
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:44,720
you think Ryan I I really liked it for

693
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:47,090
someone again like Shane who hasn't done

694
00:29:52,570 --> 00:29:50,090
much in the world with paranormal it was

695
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:52,580
interesting to see a real investigation

696
00:29:58,510 --> 00:29:55,760
not these like slick edited things that

697
00:30:02,230 --> 00:29:58,520
we see for like 40 minutes on TV this

698
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:02,240
was you know a 5 episode series and

699
00:30:06,490 --> 00:30:03,890
they're each like almost over an hour

700
00:30:09,490 --> 00:30:06,500
long and there's a lot of moments of

701
00:30:12,190 --> 00:30:09,500
like nothing happening or you know dead

702
00:30:14,020 --> 00:30:12,200
ends this that and and at first I was

703
00:30:16,180 --> 00:30:14,030
like this is kind of getting a little

704
00:30:18,340 --> 00:30:16,190
tedious but then I put myself in their

705
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:18,350
shoes I'm like wow I can't even imagine

706
00:30:22,570 --> 00:30:19,970
what it must have been like to like just

707
00:30:24,910 --> 00:30:22,580
sit there and like feel defeated and

708
00:30:26,770 --> 00:30:24,920
like hit every dead end you could just

709
00:30:29,740 --> 00:30:26,780
start to think that maybe this was all

710
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:29,750
some elaborate prank I don't know but

711
00:30:34,270 --> 00:30:31,520
the big thing I really liked was this

712
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:34,280
wasn't just about like goblins or you

713
00:30:38,830 --> 00:30:36,610
know the these creatures that were

714
00:30:41,380 --> 00:30:38,840
taunting this man in his family that

715
00:30:44,110 --> 00:30:41,390
Greg Dana and Karl go and investigate in

716
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:44,120
Conor it was about that synchronicity

717
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:48,730
asked that and I also found myself like

718
00:30:53,410 --> 00:30:50,810
when they were having these weird

719
00:30:56,170 --> 00:30:53,420
synchronicities and showing how powerful

720
00:30:59,380 --> 00:30:56,180
they were for them I'm gonna admit it

721
00:31:01,540 --> 00:30:59,390
was hard for me to relate or to see the

722
00:31:05,020 --> 00:31:01,550
power in those connections as they were

723
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:05,030
having them and I was a little critical

724
00:31:08,350 --> 00:31:06,650
I'm like I don't I don't I don't see the

725
00:31:10,750 --> 00:31:08,360
meaning I don't see the dots and that

726
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:10,760
thing and then after I finished watching

727
00:31:16,180 --> 00:31:14,090
it the next day I started like relaying

728
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:16,190
my own synchronicities to my girlfriend

729
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:17,810
and she's like Ryan you're doing the

730
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:20,570
same thing but it means something to you

731
00:31:25,390 --> 00:31:22,730
though synchronicities are for you ooh

732
00:31:28,210 --> 00:31:25,400
they're powerful to you it's a personal

733
00:31:30,610 --> 00:31:28,220
thing so I then you know looked back and

734
00:31:31,570 --> 00:31:30,620
said okay whatever these connections

735
00:31:34,770 --> 00:31:31,580
were they're making in this

736
00:31:38,170 --> 00:31:34,780
investigation inhale air and and beyond

737
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:38,180
it was important to them and were along

738
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:41,090
for their journey so I kind of stripped

739
00:31:44,770 --> 00:31:42,410
myself of that critical eye and just

740
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:44,780
dove right in and I could guarantee you

741
00:31:48,850 --> 00:31:46,610
so many junky old books are gonna be

742
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:48,860
ordered after people see this oh yeah I

743
00:31:53,170 --> 00:31:50,930
just ordered two on Amazon last night at

744
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:53,180
like three in the morning so going down

745
00:31:58,300 --> 00:31:55,010
the rabbit hole myself now that's so

746
00:32:02,620 --> 00:31:58,310
yeah you know one thing I want to say is

747
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:02,630
so I think as you know researchers or

748
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:04,880
journalists and what-have-you we've all

749
00:32:11,860 --> 00:32:08,960
gotten these emails similar to you know

750
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:11,870
this David Christie guy yeah and you

751
00:32:19,180 --> 00:32:15,970
know for me it is so hard to analyze

752
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:19,190
what is so bad [\h__\h] crazy that it cannot

753
00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:23,360
be true or is batshit crazy enough that

754
00:32:27,580 --> 00:32:25,310
it actually might have some truth to it

755
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:27,590
you know it's it's very hard to analyze

756
00:32:35,230 --> 00:32:31,130
those emails and again it's not like

757
00:32:38,260 --> 00:32:35,240
we're funded by some outside source like

758
00:32:39,730 --> 00:32:38,270
how do you make a decision on which case

759
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:39,740
you're like alright we're actually going

760
00:32:44,380 --> 00:32:41,840
to load up the car and we're gonna spend

761
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:44,390
a week yeah paying for lodging and doing

762
00:32:51,130 --> 00:32:47,450
this investigation so watching the

763
00:32:53,620 --> 00:32:51,140
series and seen their like doubts when

764
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:53,630
it came to like is this an elaborate

765
00:32:59,410 --> 00:32:56,210
like have we been led on is this a hoax

766
00:33:02,950 --> 00:32:59,420
what's going on I felt their heart like

767
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:02,960
their dread yeah and like knowing like

768
00:33:07,630 --> 00:33:05,120
oh my gosh did I just waste a bunch of

769
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:07,640
money yeah that was dramatic yeah but

770
00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:10,370
but at the same time you know I think

771
00:33:16,540 --> 00:33:12,710
that the whole moral of the story too

772
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:16,550
was that they had like a really good

773
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:20,480
time investigating this not this case

774
00:33:27,490 --> 00:33:23,090
because I mean this was related to again

775
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:27,500
you know all these old cases just going

776
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:31,730
out and doing actual work in the field

777
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:34,490
that's where you know we all

778
00:33:40,390 --> 00:33:37,370
to be and we don't always get to be and

779
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:40,400
so I commend them for going out and

780
00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:42,650
doing it they do a really good job of

781
00:33:48,340 --> 00:33:44,870
showing what that experience is like and

782
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:48,350
and taking you along the journey so yeah

783
00:33:52,660 --> 00:33:50,330
I think it's I think it's so much fun

784
00:33:54,820 --> 00:33:52,670
you know not just because this is a feel

785
00:33:56,980 --> 00:33:54,830
that I'm a part of but I think you know

786
00:33:59,920 --> 00:33:56,990
anybody who is a fan or is interested in

787
00:34:01,960 --> 00:33:59,930
the weird definitely check it out all

788
00:34:04,690 --> 00:34:01,970
five episodes of Hellyer are available

789
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:04,700
for free on Amazon Prime YouTube Vimeo

790
00:34:10,450 --> 00:34:08,480
and at Hellyer TV the website also

791
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:10,460
contains episode descriptions downloads

792
00:34:15,580 --> 00:34:12,770
detailed series information behind the

793
00:34:17,830 --> 00:34:15,590
scenes looks and special features so if

794
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:17,840
this series intrigues you at all swing

795
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:20,330
by Hellyer TV and check it out well

796
00:34:23,710 --> 00:34:22,370
citizens as we wrap up this episode we

797
00:34:25,180 --> 00:34:23,720
invite you to come join us in the rogue

798
00:34:28,030 --> 00:34:25,190
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799
00:34:29,110 --> 00:34:28,040
slash groups / rug planet and let us

800
00:34:30,850 --> 00:34:29,120
know what you thought of the second

801
00:34:32,740 --> 00:34:30,860
episode of Project Blue Book what you

802
00:34:35,110 --> 00:34:32,750
thought of Helier or anything else

803
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:35,120
ufo-related that's on your mind you can

804
00:34:39,370 --> 00:34:37,130
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805
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806
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807
00:34:44,980 --> 00:34:43,490
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808
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:44,990
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809
00:34:49,450 --> 00:34:46,490
Planeteer caleb hanks for the show's

810
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00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:51,620
always find this show at rogue planet TV

812
00:34:55,690 --> 00:34:53,210
because unknown is a rogue planet

813
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:55,700
production Red Planet TV is your home

814
00:34:59,140 --> 00:34:57,650
for all the strange it's also where you

815
00:35:01,000 --> 00:34:59,150
can get your own unknown t-shirt from

816
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:01,010
the rogue planet store just go to store

817
00:35:05,020 --> 00:35:03,650
rogue planet TV thanks again for hanging

818
00:35:08,170 --> 00:35:05,030
out with us today I'm Jason McClellan

819
00:35:11,050 --> 00:35:08,180
I'm an under whether Marine Ellsbury I'm

820
00:35:12,850 --> 00:35:11,060
Ryan Sprague and I'm Shane herd do us a

821
00:35:14,020 --> 00:35:12,860
favour friends always treat the UFO

822
00:35:15,610 --> 00:35:14,030
subject with the cautious and

823
00:35:17,950 --> 00:35:15,620
responsible skepticism it deserves

824
00:35:20,410 --> 00:35:17,960
question everything have the courage to

825
00:35:22,450 --> 00:35:20,420
form your own opinions keep truth as the

826
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:22,460
focus of your quest even if the truth

827
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:24,560
conflicts with your own opinions and of